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Post by leejohnson on Sat Dec 21, 2013 12:07 am

I don't see any marks on this. Does anyone know how to find out more about such things?






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Post by sabindoors on Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:20 am

Love it - super arts and crafts tray. Reminiscent of Keswick School of Industrial Arts.

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Post by bistoboy on Sat Dec 21, 2013 1:30 am

def of that period, but i would suggest more continental in the Judenstil / secessionist style.

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Post by FLW on Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:52 am

bistoboy wrote:def of that period, but i would suggest more continental in the  Judenstil / secessionist style.  
Not Judenstil, which means jewish style but Jugendstil...

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Post by bistoboy on Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:43 am

haha  pissing yourself a Hanukkah freudian slip of the fingers

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Post by michajoli on Sat Dec 21, 2013 11:55 am

Hi Lee!

Here's a "similar" one on ebay:
http://www.ebay.de/itm/sehr-altes-Jugendstil-Tablett-verm-Messing-Handarbeit-sehr-guter-Originalzustand-/251321192932?pt=Mobiliar_Interieur&hash=item3a83e911e4

If you want to google with german words, use TABLETT JUGENDSTIL MESSING (= tray art nouveau brass)

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Post by sabindoors on Sat Dec 21, 2013 3:45 pm

Mmmm - I still think this as Arts & Crafts rather than Art Nouveau (Jugendstil) bistoboy!

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Post by FLW on Sat Dec 21, 2013 9:48 pm

sabindoors wrote:Mmmm - I still think this as Arts & Crafts rather than Art Nouveau (Jugendstil) bistoboy!
for continental Europeans it's Jugendstil, as it has typical Jugendstil elements ;-).

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Post by sabindoors on Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:27 pm

I understand Fritz but bistoboy is UK based and on that basis we would call this style arts & crafts rather than art nouveau - or at least I would anyway. Although it could be arguedthat art nouveau (and therefore Jugendstil) could be said to be part of the arts and crafts movement. I won't labour a point though.

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Post by bistoboy on Sat Dec 21, 2013 10:38 pm

sabindoors wrote:I understand Fritz but bistoboy is UK based and on that basis we would call this style arts & crafts rather than art nouveau - or at least I would anyway.  Although it could be arguedthat art nouveau (and therefore Jugendstil) could be said to be part of the arts and crafts movement.  I won't labour a point though.

yes, i'm in the uk, but the tray isn't. That's why i suggested a continental place of origin and calling it Jugendstil or perhaps Secessionist. The Keswick School, the name you said it reminded you of, IS most certainly Arts & Crafts and not Art Nouveau - BUT I DON'T believe it's Keswick School.


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Post by sabindoors on Sun Dec 22, 2013 12:58 pm

Neither do I bistoboy, neither do I which is why I said it was reminiscent of.... so please don't take offence. Yes you are right it is Jugendstil.

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Post by leejohnson on Sun Dec 22, 2013 7:13 pm

Wow! Sorry, I didn't notice this flurry of messages, tend to focus on "ID my pottery" when I log in! Thanks so much for all of the comments. I love it too. Can we say that Messing is brass? is any yellow metal (besides gold!) considered brass?
I don't think it is possible to say the country of origin with any certainty, I often find things from the UK here....on the other hand, it does look quite alot like the tray on ebay...

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Post by sabindoors on Sun Dec 22, 2013 9:17 pm

You are right Lee. Otherwise we wouldn't find German, Italian or other pottery and glass in the UK would we! But I think bistoboy is right and this is probably German. Take away the handles and it could be British arts and crafts - with those handles I would say German Jugendstil for sure. And yes it looks like brass. But no idea who made it. Any marking to the base of the tray?

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Post by leejohnson on Sun Dec 22, 2013 11:01 pm

Not that I could find, I will look better on a sunny day and with a magnifying glass. I also have a small hammered cup (for a child?) with a cool design. I will try to post it soon.

Since there are production books, etc. for pottery and glass, I would assume that they also existed for this type of thing. Maybe I can find someone who specializes in this type of thing...anyone know of a particular area in Germany that is known for such metal work? In Holland there are just a few places, most did pewter, I think, or some copper... I will look at my files.

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